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Hi Maria,

This is is a follow up to the letter I wrote back in June. I tried to stay away as advised but found myself feeling like this man should get one more chance to make things right. He told me that the wife was gone and he had filed for a divorce. Well... I made a surprise visit again in September and I saw the wife outside taking a smoke! We had a few minutes to talk and I apologized for the situation, letting her know that when I met her husband he not only said he was single, but he said he had never been married before in his life!

I let this man into every aspect of my life. He even sat in on my appointments with my oncologist and told her he would be there to support me through chemotherapy after I had the baby. That's when she rolled her eyes and said, "Never been married?! I'm his SECOND WIFE! Of course I was stunned, once again. He was supposed to be "at work" and I found out that he doesn't even have a second job. He has been going back to the house 2 to 3 days a week, where his wife was living.

When he stepped out on the balcony and saw us talking he came out. What followed was his usual aggression and verbal abuse, he even took my cell phone and refused to give it back unless I did what he said. A nearby neighbor helped me escape the situation. I later filed a police report and got an emergency order of protection. So THEN I decided stay away from him for good. No contact.

There has been no contact since that very day. I am trying to move on with my life without the emotional abuse, bullying and constant manipulation. Even my children's lives have been changed. They had to leave their friends and school behind due to us having to be uprooted to avoid his stalking.

So now he has the nerve to send me this message when there were a million excuses for not meeting his family before. How can a person be so cold and think that the way he treated me does not matter? I was still pregnant when all these shenanigans started, which put me into pre-term labor.

I tried to give him the opportunity but he would use it to threaten me by saying, " I am going to be in my baby's life one way or the other and not just some every other weekend visitation". That's the only semi-reasonable plan, being that this man is still married and at times sounded like he wanted to take my baby. I turned down several houses and did not renew my lease because he said WE needed more space, and the whole time he knew he was not capable of being a family with me and the children and he was still tied to someone else.

I've spent ALL my savings just trying to relocate and and find a place to live before the baby was due. I did not want to be living in a shelter when she was born. I don't think he needs to see the baby until she's old enough to even understand who he is. For that matter I don't even know who he really is. He lied to me from day 1!

What should I do?

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The goal of this website is to give support to people who are facing problems in their relationship related to cheating, abuse and narcissism. I am living in Europe and English is not my native language, I wish you will excuse me if I make some grammatical errors. I have a background in neuroscience and behavioral sciences and I am currently doing brain research related to these topics in university in my home country. I decided to write in English because I wish to reach as many people as I can around the world.

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Dear Friend,

Thank you for your email, I am glad to hear from you. I understand why you felt you wanted to give your ex another chance, please do not blame yourself for not being able to stay away. He is after all the father of your child, everyone can understand that it is not easy for you to walk away from him. I can understand the pain you felt when you found out about his betrayal and lies regarding his marriage and his wife. It never ceases to amaze me how some people are able to treat others this way, to lie and live a total double life and not see anything wrong in their own actions, instead when they are caught they get angry and start accusing others around them. It is hard to get over an emotional trauma caused by being involved with a person like this. To read about emotional wounds and tools that can be used to help one get over emotional pain, visit page Ways to Overcome Emotional Pain - Mental Tools and page Controlling Negative Emotions.

The way this man treated you and his wife is totally unacceptable. He seems to have no conscience nor respect for people around him. I am glad to hear you have been able to stay strong and have stayed away from him after this last incident. I know how hurt you have felt due to his actions, but trust me: Your bad feeling will not last for the rest of your life. It will take some time but eventually you are able to see this man as he is: A pathetic dishonest person, who's life is most likely never going to be very happy, because he keeps repeating same mistakes over and over again. No woman can fully trust a person like him, and trust is the basis of a balanced, happy relationship. It is very likely that this man is never going to have that kind of a relationship in his life due to his dishonest and abusive personality.

I understand how distressing it can be to receive a message from your your ex after you have just started to recover emotionally from all the lies and abuse. In the message (not published) your ex boyfriend said he wishes to see his child. I understand well why you do not wish to see your ex or let him see your child until the child is old enough to understand who this man is.

On the other hand I understand that your ex boyfriend feels strong urge to meet his child, especially because this is his first child. He is most likely also feeling pressure from his family's part, they must be exited to see his first child as well. This is a very difficult situation for you, as you need to find a way to reach a mutual agreement regarding the future relationship between your ex boyfriend and your child.

Dear Friend, I do understand you do not wish to have anything to do with your ex boyfriend after all his lies and abuse. But because he is the father of your child, you cannot prevent him from seeing the child in the future if he wishes to do so. It will take a huge amount of your energy and might prevent you from moving on with your life if you are trying to prevent your ex boyfriend from seeing his child. In a long run it is also better for the child to know who her father is, even though your ex boyfriend is not exactly the best role model for a parent.

The best thing you can do now is to make a clear plan for the future regarding the presence of your ex boyfriend in the life of your child. If you make this kind of a plan it will help you to deal with the situation better when you know exactly what to expect from the future. It is very unpleasant for you to be in a state where you do not know what is going to happen.

I recommend you to go to talk to a representative of child protection services in your country to find out about different options that you have. Those people are familiar with the laws in your country regarding these matters and can give you best advice regarding what to do next. Laws vary between countries, this is why it is difficult to give you a specific advice as to what to do right now. I am sure you do not have to give your child to your ex boyfriend against your will especially when the child is very young and with the background of you reporting your ex boyfriend to police in the past, but as your child gets older it will become more difficult to prevent the father from seeing the child.

There will undoubtedly be times in the future when you must let your child spend some time with your ex boyfriend without you being around. Luckily it is not very likely that your ex boyfriend will act in a similar abusive manner towards his child since that would not serve his own interests in any way. I do not think you need to be afraid of your ex boyfriend treating your child badly.

Dear Friend, I know how difficult this whole situation is for you. Please stay strong. I know that your child's well-being is your priority. The most important thing is that you are no longer living with your abusive and dishonest ex boyfriend. Having a father like that present in her every day life would be more harmful for your child. You have done the right decision when you left your ex boyfriend after all the abuse you experienced and after finding out about his dishonesty. Never doubt your decision.

Warm hug,

Maria

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Comments (12)
  • Tina  - Why Me?!?
    I have always been told that my ex husband was a classic narcissist! We have been divorced for 6 years. Unfortunately in our divorce he won primary custody of our children (then ages 10 and 6 years of age) due to him having the means for an attorney and me not! He has since remarried (to a woman with the same name as mine) and they have a newborn (born on my birthday)! I am very involved with my kids lives even though we live in separate cities (same state).I pay child support faithfully even though he makes four times as much as I do because I put my career on hold to help him reach his! Now he is requiring my children to call their step mom "mom". When I asked him why? He stated that she is raising them and he doesn't want his new child to grow up confused!!??!! I know he is only doing it to hurt me because he knows how I feel about my children and they are all that I have left!!! Does anyone have advise for me and my unique situation?
  • Tina  - Why Me?!?
    I have always been told that my ex husband was a classic narcissist! We have been divorced for 6 years. Unfortunately in our divorce he won primary custody of our children (then ages 10 and 6 years of age) due to him having the means for an attorney and me not! He has since remarried (to a woman with the same name as mine) and they have a newborn (born on my birthday)! I am very involved with my kids lives even though we live in separate cities (same state).I pay child support faithfully even though he makes four times as much as I do because I put my career on hold to help him reach his! Now he is requiring my children to call their step mom "mom". When I asked him why? He stated that she is raising them and he doesn't want his new child to grow up confused!!??!! I know he is only doing it to hurt me because he knows how I feel about my children and they are all that I have left!!! Does anyone have advise for me and my unique situation?
  • terrified  - Narcissistic ex
    My ex fiance is exactly like you (and the article) have described. He is awful and abusive and treated me like a piece of meat. Nothing was ever good enough, my son was a "mummy's boy" (at three months old) and I was a useless fat lazy sack of no good because I couldn't support us.... being a stay at home mum apparently wasn't good enough... even though I only had this for 12 months!!! It was my fault when there was no money, it was my fault for everything. I even got yelled at for buying the wrong butter. He threatened me with violence one too many times and I finally left.

    I managed to escape. Now he wants to play "father of the year", I've served my purpose, now he wants to use my son for the same thing. I'm terrified of losing my son. This man has no regard for the law and was planning a road trip with him (without telling me), he lies and cheats and I don't want him around... I want to get rid of him. I don't want him in my son's life. He is toxic and a danger to him. However he is also incredibly charismatic, and will paint a picture of an insecure woman who can't deal with her own short comings.

    How do i get him out of our lives for good? :angry:
  • Tammy  -  Dear terrified
    It’s been over a year now since my original letter posted above, but I have managed to stay free of contact. I am not where you are or what the laws are there, but be very careful. I must say, it was a little easier for me because I found this site before my baby was born, and with some advice from various sources, I decided to carry out my plan. You stated you escaped, which I am glad to here, but there are levels of escape. It sounds like you didn’t get as far away as you had wished. The only hiccup is that he already started having a relationship with your son. There are a lot of things to be looked at here, like: 1.does he already have legal visitation rights through a court system or is it just something you two verbally agreed to? 2. Does he have a specific visitation schedule or is it sporadic? 3. And most importantly, IF YOU DO REALLY FEEL THIS MAN IS A THREAT, ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THE NESSESSARY STEPS. You must be sure that getting away from him is what you REALLY MUST do. People told me, “you should take your ex to child support, he should at least help financially... and so on” In my situation, it would have only tied me to him. It would have made me crazy because I would have been trying to do the right thing and comply with court orders while running to court to fight him to comply and dealing with more headaches with every visitation. On top of that, I did some more research on him, and he now has no traceable income. He quit his job (which was a front anyway) because he thought that would be my next move. He is into something illegal so I decided to leave him alone all together. The court can’t make him pay what they can’t trace! Can you imagine him getting a little part time job, (like the one I met him at) paying me about $150 a month to have access to my baby and give me hell? NO THANK YOU! Things have gotten tight at times but it has motivated me in so many other ways. I budget better and push myself to save more and get more pay and it all has been worth it! I do not regret it.”N’s” want to feel like you need them anyway. Not to say that they will deliver, but the feeling that they have control over whether you make it, are struggling, are happy, are sad, etc., are all feathers in their cap. I had to be willing to say that I was going to have to live completely void of him and that included his finances. It has been so much better for my family. I am not sure what you are willing or able to do, but BE SURE of whatever it is so that there are no REGRETS with yourself. I expended lots of time planning and relocating but again it has been a whole new beautiful world. So if you sure you want to get out: PLAN (how, when where), SAVE (money, most unexpected time & date), and EXECUTE THE PLAN to the fullest being prepared that you may have to connect with a lot of people (friend & FAMILY) that you both know mutually. Take to time to make a new confidant that he does not know (ex. social service advocate)if you do not have people you can trust not to give away your new location. There are so many other fine details but again be SURE. I pray your situation improves for the better whatever you decide. I can post more tips if you really think you are ready. It's won't be easy but it will be soo worth it. It has for me :)
  • Tia  - I have borderline personality disorder and my ex i
    My story is extremely similar to Rachel!! The father of my 10 month old son who is now my ex has put me through hell!! He has everyone thinkning im crazy including his family so I moved to another city and left everything to start over! I finally fought him back physically and he called the police on me but later dropped the charges! Since then he refuses to have any contact with me only through his mother! He won't pay child support he mails me the things he wants his son to have like expensive coats shoes etc. He wont give me any money to buy the things that our son really needs! We haven't spoken or seen each other in 3 months! He refuses to come see his son and even when I was living in the same city with him he still wouldn't see his son he wanted me to drop him off at his mothers house which I can't do because he took all of my money that I had saved up for a car!! Im sick of going through this he knows I need help and he is making everything difficult for me! I really just want him to go away and stop communicating with me through his mom! I just want him out of our life for good so that I can move on but he refuses to give up his rights and he's not helping me at all!! Does anyone have any advise!!! Please help me thanx!!!
  • Visiting and Grateful  - I wish I didn't understand BUT I DO !
    :angry-red: Hi Everyone. I was lucky enough to recognize my Ex had NPD the day we got married. The moment we married, it was the most bizarre Jekyl/Hyde transformation. The chase was over, the prize was won; over the next 2 years I was emotionally and verbally abused to an extent that gave me suicidal thoughts; the gaslighting caused that "you're Crazy, you need help, you have no friends." I left a beautiful home w/ all 3 of my kids (2 from another marriage, much happier one). That was 5 years ago; distance (emotional/verbal/etc) has helped a lot but sometimes I have to speak up; now he is smoking in the same car / apt. as my daughter. No regard. Burned her 2x w/ his cigarette "accidentally" (yes, it was documented). Doesn't do her homework when he has her, grades suffered, she and I suffered, he rolls along w/ no remorse/problems in life. I know full custody is the ONLY answer; for me at least. I've tried everything else; humanizing him...making him the focus (reverse psychology); nothing works. I pray hard not to "hate" but its hard when you deal with a narcissist isn't it?
  • Zelda  - Its crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I have two sons, 4 and 7 months old. No one seems to believe the things I tell them about the father of my children. He supports the boys, spoils them rotten and gives them all the luxuries he thinks they want, problem is, he never consults me about what they really need, he does not give me money, instead goes and buys stuff himself. I have complained alot and asked him to consult me before he goes on a spending spree and we had an argument when he showed up with stuff he bought. He went on to the women and child protection centre to make a case against me, stating that I am contrling him and harassing him and telling him how he should care for his kids. The lady there told me to apply for child support which I did. He then went to a Judge to file for a protection order, claiming I am harassing him and constantly texting him. The Judge asked him for a printout of those text messages I send, which he obviously coulnt produce, because I never contact him. The Judge then called me and after I explained how things realy are, he advised me to apply for child support as well.The case is still pending, meanwhile he has approached his lawyer and got in touch with the prosecutors, making them believe that my applying for child support is my way of getting back at him for our breakup, he reasons that he is supporting the children, why should I go apply for child support. It is very frustrating, how do these people with no empathy for others, often get so much sympathy from everybody???
  • Tammy  - Another way to look at CRAZY!!!
    Zelda,
    Don't stress to much about others not believing you. There are thousands of people and enough on this site to know what you are experiencing is real! Getting bothered by those that don't only adds to your frustration. Starting with this very web site I started doing more research on people who are "N's" Let me put it to you like this:
    1. These people desire to control everyhting.(Buying things instead of giving you the money)
    2. They can not feel because they are for whatever reason not REAL. They are forever ACTORS in our world. The more people they can manipulate, trick, fool, and get to side with , pay attention to, look up to, and adore them the better. They will feed their fragil ego at any coast. (Spoiling the kids, lieing to everyone.) I am willing to bet that he would spend $100 on crap to "empress" someone, ANYONE, than to put $20 dollars in your hand for you to control or get any glory out of what you would do with it, even if for the kids. Life is like a the Oscar Award at every opportunity. That's why he doesn't want to pay child support. It's not about the money its about the control!
    3.They do not want anyone to (win)get more admiration, praise or attention than them.They CRAVE attention (almost ANY kind) Even if you are arguing with him he LOVES it. You are proving he makes some difference. They hate to be ignored more than anything in the world. I know it's hard because you still have to deal wih him beause of the children,& they are too young to understand that they are just props on HIS set! Maybe you can try to still limit your 4 yr. old's use of tiys or things you feel spoil him by giving him limited access to them if the items are at your home. Don't complain anymore. Just take the stuff, say thanks and put it up in case you need it. If possible take items back to where they were purchased and get things tyou can really use. Have a rumage sale at the end of the year for extra cash. Good reasons: (Kids outgrew the items, they don't play with it anymore, your place it getting cluttered, etc.) Or DONATE IT!
    WARNING !!!! He won't like it. But don't do it spitfully. Just be very innocent about it. And again don't be too angry with other who give empathy to this proffessional liers. They work very hard at appearances. Their lack of empathy allows them to morph into a character that lets them mock, belittle, slander, and lie on people who they know do not deserve it. It"s like a politician mudslinging til someone finds out the truth about THEM! It's a nasty thing to deal with. Believe me I know.
    emotionally dismiss him, like you would a saleman selling that new vac/carpet cleaning machine that he promises will pick up ANYTHING. Would you get angry with the saleman who YOU KNOW has an agenda. Or would you listen to his pitch, smile and say no thanks, don't want any or need any and excuse yourself from his presence because, as I'm sure, you have lot's of thing to get back to doing. You are strong enough to do it. Just believe it! I know it can be hard because this is a person you were once in love with or may still be in love with. But I ask you to remember that you deserve treatment you give out and sometimes you have to remove anything that is injuring you so that you can heal. Best of luck to you!
  • Rachel  - I also have a child with a narcissist
    This is helping me immensely--as I have a child with a narcissist, who is my ex-husband. My little boy is 18 mos old. I was only with him about 6 mos total. Yes, I married him after 3 weeks. I have Borderline Personality Disorder, and this man recognized my weakness and totally used it to get me and then try to keep me around--particularly when he told me I would lose custody of my child to him due to having Borderline. (My Psych has told me that because I take care of myself and my disorder, hold down a job, own a home, that this would be impossible.) I found it not as hard to leave him as some people, as I didn't want to be beaten or put through emotional distress while pregnant--if I wasn't going to look out for myself, I DEFINITELY was going to look out for my baby--as I could finally realize, he was getting more abusive as the pregnacy continued--not better as I was hoping. My little boy has some neurological things going on, and I wonder if it has to do with the extreme high stress I dealt with and being thrown on the floor or against walls many times, before I finally got rid of him at 6 mos pregnancy. I talked to the Sherriff, and he reccomended that I get charges on him. I had done it before, but this time I stuck with them. THis has worked out perfect, because I live in a small town, and EVERYONE he knew here knows about him now--which as you all know, he can't tolerate. THis made him hate me and not want anythign to do with me, after being stalked for quite a while. ANyway, to end this story--I just will add that so far he hasn't tried to see the baby, nor has his family. He has told them all kinds of lies against me. Being borderline, my reaction to being battered, was self-defense-I bit him, kicked and slapped him trying to get away from him--and he then went to show his family the marks. THey never got to see my smashed-up face or bruises--wouldn't listen. So, they think I just went off on him because I'm "crazy". I think he stays away because he can't stand having to face me--he knows I have his number. But, one day, I am afraid he will want to see his kid. He is paying court-ordered child support. It is reassuring to know that he is not likely to hurt our son. ANd I don't know how if he will ever get the courage to ask me for visitation. Because, I believe he knows I will put up with NOTHING from him. He knows I have no qualms putting him in jail, if he dares to cross me.
  • Tammy  - Think VERY Hard
    Lisa,
    Hugs back at cha! :love: I do not know your complete situation but, I have tried to collect "proof" of this man's wrong doings. It won't relly matter if he is an N or has some other behavior issue. It all boils down to being in a situation that you feel you need to get out of SAFELY. The cour just saw him as abusive not a N. I had text messages, voice mails, police reports, and e-mails of him trying to justify things he had done when he was trying to get me to forgive HIM. We did not live together so when I cut off communication (which N's hate unless they are doing it) he started stalking. I asked the neighbors to watch out for him creeping around so now I have witnesses to that. I hope that (God forbid) anything happens to me, all the information I have collected will help put him away. Most N's will not do anything in the public eye because theywant people to believe that they are an upstanding person. They want to be adorned. Focus ALL your energy on how to protect you and your children. I had to spend a couple of thousand dollars to relocate but the peace and lack of drama is sooo worth it. If you are going to leave and go through the trouble of relocating be very sure that that is what you want to do. Beleieve me, you do not want to go through all of that trouble, and waist time and money just to het back with him. I contacted an agency that speacilized in information on how to "Start Over". They do not advertise on the web but I refered via word of mouth. Unfortunately there wasn't an opening at the time I needed to get away but they gave me lots of helpful information. It is sort of like a modern day "undergoung railroad" but I am on the waiting list and eventhough I will have to leave behind my friends and family for a while, it will give me a chance to get stronger, learn some tips on how to spot these people in the future, how to defend myself and so on... I look forward to a new life for me and my kids. One day I will be better equipted to deal with this man but now is not the time. Until they come up with a way to put a undetectable location device on my baby, he is not going anywhere near her without supervision. But the agency told me why that may not be wise right now. Again I do not know your whole situation but, legally I can go where I please becaus not paternity had been established yet. He is no where on the birth records and the doctors bammed him from the delivery room and OB office after he showed up pretending to be my husband to get information. Your case may be different. I hope this has helped. This agency has GREAT advice on how to start the healing and knowing that you are not alone and that yor actually NOT crazy! :x If you have the patience to stay, that's fine but when it's tme to ge it's time to GO! If anyoe else has any advice or experiences to share PLEASE comment.
    Peace and Sanity, :love:
    Tammy
  • Tammy  - Added Note:I Have a Child with My Narcissistic Ex
    Dear Maria,

    Thank you for your advice in my situation. I agree that a child needs a father, which was what I preached to him all the time. This was another reason I was trying agian to make things work for him because I believed this was his first child. He is still lying! Even in the e-mail. He does not know that I found out that he has at least three other children! He knows that my beliefs and values are family based and now he is trying to use this to manipulate me into contacting him. The fact that I asked to meet his family on a regular basis before and be a family before was only met with one excuse, false hope and lie after another. It took a friend of mines to make me recognize that this most recent communication was just another method of manipulation because he knows that deep down inside that's what I would really love, is for everyone to see the baby. For us to share that joy together, but I was infuriated when a counselor told me that he felt I had been "set up". This man knew my desires and wants and felt I would be a perfect candidate to mother a child his second wife could not have for him. He also knew that his wife would not leave him after he pitched to her that they could "share the child together". That is very disturbing. It bothers me to know that he would continue to use TACTICS toget what HE wants. I totally agree with what you said earlier... "Luckily it is not very likely that your ex boyfriend will act in a similar abusive manner towards his child since that would not serve his own interests in any way." I do not think he would either since this would allow him another opportunity to appear to be the "WORLD" to someone. But this also sets up access of having something done to me so that he can obsess over the baby the way he wants to. A court advocate even told me that, if something happened to me it would be very hard to prove he had something to do with it but he could then get the child and move on. Is there any protection from a person with no empathy?
  • Lisa  - Something to think hard about
    Tammy huggs to you :) You posted a very good question, one I myself now will have to think about. Id also like to know if there is protection for these people with no real empathy. I have 3 daughters one 18 whos left on her own..2 younger ones 14 and 13 which Im most certainly taking with me when I break away. I never thought about the WHAT IF untel i seen it written in your post. These N's wouldnt think twice about finishing us off and regaining the children. Im very interested if we can actually prove without a therapistsdiagnoses that our spouses are N and if we can protect ourselves.would like some others input on this very good question Tammy has brought to attention.
    Thank to all and Huggs.
    Lisa :love:
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