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Dear Maria,

To say I was surprised by your actually responding to my email, would be an understatement!  I'm touched that you did.  Just to repeat:  I'm not sure I even speak and write English as well as you and it's my first and only language!  Either way, your message comes through very well. I think that those of us involved with narcissists NEED to talk about it.   We feel so crazy that we self-isolate, hide what's going on from friends and family, and learn to blame ourselves for all that is wrong.   When we finally realize what's going on, the need to speak about it is overwhelming.  Finally, we have proof that we are not crazy.  I appreciate this opportunity to tell you some of my story.  Though I must insist on anonymity because we are still living in the same house.

In my situation, it seemed as if every time I tried to gain some power back, by trying to become more independent, my husband would push me back down---but always in subtle ways.  For instance, if I was feeling good about something (such as getting my art in a show or gallery), and I would voice that pride or happiness, my husband would say something like "well, it's just a small show",  when what I expected to hear was "yes, good for you."  There was truth to what he said, it WAS a small show;   (I would think, oh, maybe he's right.  Maybe it really is not as big  of an accomplishment as I'd thought.)  I'd go from feeling really good, to feeling really diminished--in a few short words from him.  Or if I wanted to do something on my birthday and it conflicted with something he wanted to do, he would tell me I was selfish.

It was this constant diminishing of all of my efforts (work, home, relationship), and his refusal to ever treat me in a special way,  that helped me to see that there was more going on in my marriage than just simple disagreements.  I just couldn't figure out what it was.  The harder I tried, the further from the truth I seemed to get.  (I've read a list of over ten books trying to figure it out.  Everything from Should I Stay or Go? to How to Read People, to the Dark Side of the Light Chasers and everything in between.  From spiritual, to self-help, to how to be a better person.)

We've been together for 27 years. It was around year 20 that I started to question what was happening to us.  Prior to that, I just assumed it was all my fault.  I know now, that a person with healthy self-esteem would never accept all the blame in any relationship, but I believed he loved me, and I so loved and adored him (a word I used for years when describing my feelings toward him,) that I believed him when he told me it was ALL my fault.  I have lots of faults, not the least of which is being sensitive.  He often blamed all of our problems on that sensitivity.  "You're over-reacting" was a phrase I heard over and over for 27 years.  Even if at first I questioned it, he's a spectacular "arguer."  Often-times he would wear me down with hours of arguing, until I gave in just out of wishing the conversation would end.  Other times, he'd attack my faults, which I knew to be true faults, and in those cases, I'd look inward for what I should have done differently.  I was always willing to accept blame.  Always willing to work on myself.  Always willing to make changes.

In 27 years, he's never admitted to being at fault or to blame for anything.  He once stepped on my toe, and instead of apologizing, he blamed me for having my toe in the wrong place!  I remember at the time being surprised that he couldn't apologize for such a simple thing.  The rest of us apologize for little things like that,  reflexively.  And yet he found it too difficult a thing to do.  Who in their right mind would say that a toe was in the wrong place?  But he did, and he was fine with it.  In all these years, he's never apologized even in those circumstances.  He has flat out told me that we wouldn't have any problems if it weren't for me!

Marriage counseling (at my insistance) was a colossal failure for us.  We tried twice to no avail.  Both counselors (female) fell for his charms in ways that shocked me. The first one, knew one of our main problems was his need to control our money, and still she asked me to do graphics work for her, in front of him. (Which I've since learned is an ethical boundary). The second one, was so charmed that while I cried during one of our sessions, she giggled and tossed a throw pillow toward him!  I gave up.  I gave him the "out" he needed by offering to stop marriage counseling if I could do therapy on my own.  He agreed.

I am financially dependent on him.  I make very little money as an artist, and the odd jobs I've taken over the years have not been enough to support myself.  Essentially, I needed his "approval" to continue with therapy because he had to "authorize" paying for it.  I began counseling with a great therapist who helped me to get stronger.  The stronger I got, the more I fought back.

When he'd try to blame me, deny saying something, or promising something, etc., I began to see our arguments for the nonsensical conversations that they were.  So much so, that I began tape-recording our arguments (both openly, and secretly at different times).  I was beginning to realize that the things he was saying didn't make sense, but I needed the "proof".  Not for anyone else to listen to, but for me to listen to outside the heat of the argument.  By re-listening to those tapes, I started to realize how he would never answer my questions, except with another question, and how he would veer off into other topics, many other topics, and two hours later we were so far removed from the original discussion that it was no wonder I felt crazy!

That's when I bought a book on verbal abuse (by Patricia Evans)  It described all of the different methods verbal abusers use to avoid real conversations.  It helped me to understand, in the moment, what tactics he was using to avoid staying on topic.  And it helped me to argue back.  If he answered a question with a question, I could see it.  If he changed the topic, I could see it.  If he denied saying something I knew he said--and I had on tape---then I could remind myself that he most certainly did say that.  This combined with therapy started me on a path to some recovery.  This is when he decided that unless I let him sit-in on my therapy sessions (to see if they were really "helping or not"), then he would refuse to pay for it any more!  Of course, I refused, and my therapy ended.  That was the beginning of my "re-birth".  But first, I spiraled down into an abyss of anger, depression, sadness, and drinking too much.
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The goal of this website is to give support to people who are facing problems in their relationship related to cheating, abuse and narcissism. I am living in Europe and English is not my native language, I wish you will excuse me if I make some grammatical errors. I have a background in neuroscience and behavioral sciences and I am currently doing brain research related to these topics in university in my home country. I decided to write in English because I wish to reach as many people as I can around the world. If you wish to read more about me, please visit page Site Overview.

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Dear Visitor, you can read the developments in this writer's situation from the "comments" section at the end of this page (messages of "freebird"). Her story is a wonderful example of human courage! Only very few of us have the courage to do what she did. Let us give her our congratulations and our support!

 

Dear Friend,

Thank you for your letter and your positive feedback regarding my website. I am sorry you have been going through such a devastating relationship for such a long time. My Friend, it is never too late to get our from a negative relationship. Your story will help others to see the reality and to free themselves sooner. Thank you again for submitting your story. To read more about how you can help your mind to recover, visit page Training the Brain.

You are clearly dealing with a man who has strong narcissistic tendencies. You wrote your husband argued with you in a car after your painful biopsy. That is incredibly insensitive and cruel behavior. However, I can understand so well why you have stayed with your husband all these years. You have been in love, and you have followed your heart, even tho you have known there is something wrong with your spouse.

Please do not blame yourself for staying with your narcissistic husband this long. There are so many people out there who have stayed with a narcissist much longer than you. Many of those people do not have the strength to leave, even tho they know the relationship is having a negative effect on their lives. I am so glad to hear you have started to read about this topic and that you now understand so much better what you are dealing with. Understanding is the key to liberation, that is the basic principle in psychotherapy. You have taken the first step towards the freedom. I recommend you to visit the page Recovery After Narcissism and Cheating to read about the methods I used to teach my mind to let go of my "addiction" to my narcissistic spouse. I believe you find them to be helpful for you. I also warmly recommend you to read this article of Regaining the Mental Balance and Happiness.

You wrote that you are financially dependent on your narcissistic husband. I understand your situation so well. It is very difficult to leave when you do not know what the future holds. There is no simple answer as to what you should do in this situation. However, we can list the pluses and minuses: (Click the link below to read the rest of this reply).

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We all wish to have some meaning to our life. I have experienced a great satisfaction when I have been able to help others who are suffering in an abusive relationship with a narcissist. Dear Reader, you can help yourself and others who are in similar situation by sending your story to this website (you find the instructions below). You can get comments and feedback from me and other readers. Please feel free to send your story and help yourself and others to heal.

This life is too beautiful to be wasted in suffering with a narcissistic partner. Let us help each other to break free and to recover!

Warm thoughts,

- Maria

Ps. Read the developments to this story from the "comments" section below.

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Comments (42)
  • KAT  - Hi Julie
    I see this message was sent a year ago. I am so sorry for your trauma and you are right is bad. I am just divorcing my Narc after over 38 years and was served the D Papers just a few days ago. Well he is just like he has always been...Is still hard as this is all I have known for all these years...Am hoping that you are happy and your life is going good....
  • Jessica  - Is my husband a narcissist?
    I don't want to finalize that my husband is an n unless he is. But some of his characteristics point in that direction. When I met him I was going to school and going through the end of my first marriage. My n sought me out talked to me a lot and was very charming. Convinced me my ex husband didn't really love me anyway and that I was not in a" real marriage" what ever that meant. He made me feel so special put me on the highest pedastel made me believe we were meant to be together. He convinced me he was going to be very successful someday (as he did many others) he spoke of his dream of owning a gym and was very boastful of himself ( I took it as confidence). One day he acted all distraught and said to me "I'm just afraid you don't love me" so I told him I did. He said he loved me too. It was a good night. A few months later he looses his job and tells me he is going to just live in his truck. Me being stupid told him to move into my house! He did and lived off me a struggling single mom. I eventually got sick of it and told him to leave. He charmed his way back in. Anyway long story short five years together I lost my home we moved to an apartment I had had his son by then. The whole time he worked a little bit here and there sometimes full time mostly not. He spent most of his days "running errands" while he pawned the kids off to a sitter. I tried to leave him many times even started cheating on him. Big mistake I became ugly and had to make it up to him. For whatever reason I stayed but I became very self destructive with alcohol. Finally after the fifth year after he cOnvinced some poor souls to give him money as an investment in his "gym" he convinced me to move to georgia with him. I forgot to mention (cause I am feeling more and more stupid) he has a drug felony and he was banished from Georgia. So he got his banishment dropped and he moved me and three kids to Georgia. After a lot of convincing me that he will take care of the family financially even if he has to work three jobs. Everything will be great. He moved a month before I did I had to finish my sixty hour a week job. When we pulled into his sisters driveway there was a motorcycle sitting in the driveway. I said " who's is that" he said with a smile "mine". He had gotten a woman who also invested in his "gym" to help him buy it. Two months before we moved he had been hiding it and riding it while I was at work. Now is when the charm stopped dead. Suddenly I could leave him if I wanted to. And he stopped treating me so special. Until another man was interested in me. Then he loved and hugged on me every chance he got especially if this other guy was around. I eventually ended up having an Internet relationship with this other man even though we worked together as well and my husband went to every measure to find out what was going on. I felt very bad and apologized. He confronted the guy and he apologized but said he would not stop being my friend. They worked it out and are good friends to this day but I am still paying for it. I had to make it up to him so I married him finally after years of saying no. Pregnant with his second child he worked at being better to me while I was pregnant with her than he was while I was prego with the first. Then she was born and back to being a jerk. Left me at home a week after she was born to go to a party cause I didn't want to go. He spends money how he wants to we are poor and when I get mad he tells me " I wouldn't deny you anything". I am depressed cause he doesn't treat me like he use to he says its because he doesn't lOve me like he use too before the Internet relationshiP I had. Yet he has since had a very inaproPriate relatiOnship with our teenage babysitter. Teenage girls talk to him and confide in him like crazy. I found one message where the girl told him she loved him and he said love you too I hope I get one of those awesome hugs tomorrow. I don't get it. She is my sons ex and we go to church with her. He always gets mad when I questiOn stuff like that and says it's innocent. He is always making promises he can't keep and will often twist what he said in a promise to mean something else. He eventually got his gym through a friend and at first it was his and none of my business. Now it's failed and he has us in financial ruin and he wants us to be partners. I say why would I help bail you out you won't even make anything up to me for the way I have been treated over the years. He says he is sorry buy to stressed out. I kicked him out the other night when he lied to me and when I asked him for the truth he told me I was pushing him away. Yes I have called him a loser and have cheated on him. I am guilty have repented and am very active in the church don't drink and I am constantly trying to be a good wife. He will tell me I am a great woman and tell others I am (that seems to be different than other ns I have read about) he even takes blame for our marriage going bad but in an argument I still pay for anything I have ever done in the past. Anyway I just want someones opinion. As I reflect over my life with him it does not seem like normal relationship differences. And does the fact that he says it is his fault and I deserve better mean I am wrong about the n thing? He takes pride in the fact that he can hide things better than me ie lies, he is so secretive and I never know where he is. He jokes that he thinks he is so great he hears voices in his head cheering. Oh yes and when he finally converted to my religion he wanted to start getting certain authorities quicker than the norm and felt left out when me and my kids were announced in front of the whole congregation about our church callings. He ie very cold to me unless I am being super sweet but as soon as I have an issue he is cold and mean. He says it's stress I just don't know!!!
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  • anon  - ps
    I also recognize the accusations of being too sensitive, of refusing to stay with a conversational topic - deviation by answering a question with a question and your experiences of female therapists.For some reason they seem unable to see through the narcissist's charm - maybe this is linked to the first stage of a narcissistic relationship - they too fall for the superficial charm. Interesting that my narcissist will never see a male therapist... I have read that narcissists rarely stay the long course of therapy, as soon as their real self is observed, they find an excuse to remove themselves by finding fault with the therapist. Perhaps echoing the second stage of the relationship? Just speculation...

    You are not alone - your message strike many chords, as I have said in my previous post.

    Good luck!
  • anon
    I sympathise with this story - it's so familiar. Put-downs, which when mentioned in isolation, seem trivial, are not when they are experienced year after year. They have a corrosive and belittling effect upon how you view yourself.That's what a narcissist wants. A partner completely under his control, emotionally, intellectually, and financially. Sick people. But what skills they have in maintaining appearances to the outside world - making us, the victims, appear unreasonable.

    One of the effects of narcissism, so I've found is a gradual lack of belief in myself. The constant twisting of phrases - either what he's said or what I've said (sometimes within a couple of minutes) and his absolute denial that he's done this, has sometimes made me doubt my sanity, it's all done with such certainty that I am wrong. He is always right.

    And the constant interrupting, disallowing me to speak and the denials of valid points I've made in the past. And the negativity. And the belittling behind other's backs. And the self pity. And the denial that their way of being is in any way abnormal.

    I can't wait to get out of this murky family - because it extends to the kids, parents, Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all. I'm currently dealing with my husband's lies, cheating, denial of the seriousness of his daughter's suicidal state (you're exaggerating he says), disinterest that I've just discovered that his daughter was sexually abused by a member of her extended family, that she's taking drugs, been recommended to join Teen AA and is now involving herself in sexual relations with girls.

    He's great at acting concerned but takes no action - much too interested in keeping up appearances. A superficially respectable middle class family who have a dark and maggoty underbelly. But, as long as things look okay, that's alright with the narcissist because he has no empathy about his daughter's plight or my worries or emotional state - or for anyone else. Supreme selfishness to a degree I used to find unbelievable. I now find it all so normal when viewed through the lens of narcissism.

    I've reached a state of total cynicism about these people. Escape is the only route, but do so carefully in order to avoid their vengefulness. Because once you are not feeding their need for narcissistic supply, revenge is the only thing left for them.

    :angry:
  • Emily  - Anna...yes they present a different "face" to ot
    Anna,so glad to read your post because you tell it like it is...no matter how painful. Everyone's post helps everybody else. Thank you!

    You brought up one N issues I'd forgotten...they are masters at presenting a wonderful, charming, caring face to others...your friends will think they're "wonderful" especially because they can be very complimentary about us, their partner, wife, whatever the relationship...so friends think that you have an incredibly wonderful man. Of course, when those friends aren't around, the N immediately reverts back to their usual mentally and emotionally abusive self. It took me a while to figure out what that was all about.

    This was a good reminder for those of us who have forgotte this trait that is masterfully manipulative and deceiving to others...and sometimes even to us. It's one of the things they are so adept at.
  • Anonymous
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  • Tracy Hughes  - Anna
    Freebird - so glad you had the courage and strength to leave such a painful situation. There are way too many women who would have stayed even in the presence of physical danger. I, myself, am in the long, painful process of starting over after a 20 year marriage to a narcissist. It has taken me way too long to realize how much his disorder was affecting me mentally. I also had to leave behind two dogs and a teenage son who chose to stay behind and remain in the home he felt comfortable in. It has been a very difficult journey - but nothing could be as challenging as living with and attempting to understand the mind games and degrading comments of my husband. I have known for many years that my marriage wasn't healthy, but kept continuing to attempt to "fix" what was wrong with me and try to make him happy. I treated him like a king and was never anything but his slave in every way. Thankfully, i have a counselor who clearly could see what was occurring to me and strongly encouraged me to get out of it. I also met a very good friend over the internet who is also in a relationship with a narcissist. She is still struggling to escape and i am encouraging her to get out ASAP. Even women who are financially independent have huge struggles to get out of these relationships. The mental and emotional abuse is so thorough that the victims are a mere shadow of who they once were. I just know that even with the sadness and difficulties i have already dealt with and the many more that i know are in my future, i will never regret getting out of my marriage. What i do regret is that i didn't do it many many years ago. I still long for the "dream" of a life with the husband that everyone else saw him as, not the husband he really was. I tried for months before i left to get him to see that he needed help and it simply wasn't all my fault that our marriage was falling apart. By the time I realized that there would never come a day in which he would acknowledge any credit for our problems, my internal strength had grown enough that i knew there was no way i could continue living that way. The divorce process itself is tedious and my husband is not making matters any easier. He has accused me (formally) of having multiple affairs and is intentionally alienating me from my son. Luckily, i have a great lawyer, and my husband does not. I will continue to fight for my fair share of the marital estate. It is not a fortune, but i also invested 20+ years of my life building it and i will not give up without getting what I am legally entitled to. He needs to incur punishment in some form for the pain he has caused me. I will not let him take one more minute of my life even if his current goal is to totally destroy me in the eyes of anyone and everyone that he can. Thankfully, I know that HE is the sick one and i am so relieved to be out of his grasp, that I really don't care what anyone else thinks of me. The people who really matter know the truth. Good luck to you freebird. You, too, deserve happiness and peace in your life. Thanks for sharing your story.
  • Julie  - Use yourArt to help other Victims
    I am divorcing a man after 33 years....I started a message before...but I think you may not have gotten it.

    I don't know what state you ae in but I was suprised that PA has equal distribution. Get a good attorney who is the opposite of who we area and who is experienced in dealing with potentially violent individuals. Also beware that there will be hidden accounts that the attorney should be able to find

    It is the most expensive, but worthwhile that I have ever spent my money on.

    The final straw is when I saw my daughter now 23, picking A NPD. I can only show her that she shouldn't be treated like shit.


    Your husband will never get better...I went the hopeful route also.

    Short List of incidents I suffered over the years.

    I had to drive myself to the hospital during an asthma attack.

    I had to take my husband to the doctor when I go hit in the head with a bi-fold door he wouldn't fix. My internal bleeding went got worse instead of better and they hospitalized me for 4 days and he was pissed because he thought the Dr. was trying to keep him from his Friday night drinking.

    He punched me in the stomach when I was pregnant with my last child and yes, this was my fault because in his dream, I was cheating on him.

    If I didn't keep perfectly still, at night he would punch shove whatever to stop. So I started sleeping in another room.

    Neve in 33+ years we have been together did he say he was wrong, sorry or thank-you.

    I'm a better than average cook,costumer and not one compliment. He would see what is wrong, not what is good.

    He loves to hack onto others accounts. One of the last events was him scheduling the family vacation within walking distance to a coworker.
    Some think he is having an affair. I think it is more disturbed than that because he has no idea how to have an intimate relationship.

    He is living with his sister, who he is at least emotionally married to. They could be twins,very,very disturbing..

    I pray that your artwork will help others who are struggling. Every difficult experience will in my past has become a way to help someone else.
    I believe that your artwork can express what we are were traumatized with.

    Yes-
    Protect yourself. My husband has hurt me when I brought out all the lies
  • Emily
    Julie, thank you for posting. I have experienced in some form almost every trait you discussed. My N is emotionally married to his 50 year old son. I've never read another post - or even a book, anywhere that describes this trait.

    My N was married for 40 years to a woman I firmly believe was a saint...she died of a broken heart disguised as breast CA. Each of them had emotional relationships with this same son. Their marriage was very cold due to the N. Needless to say, the son has HUGE emotional/relationship problems,including rage attacks.

    On a short trip the three of us took together in the son's brand new car...the son flew into a rage in the car because someone opened their door and bumped into the side of his new car. I HAD to get out of the car because I felt assaulted by his rage. My problem, I know.

    As I was getting out the car (we were traveling at a very slow speed), the car ran over the side of my heel. The people in the car behind us got out to help me...they could see something was very wrong...and I got back in the car because I was so embarrassed to have anyone find out about this private matter...even if it was due to the son's rage and my post traumatic stress reaction to his rage.

    His father - my N - has always encouraged the son to have nothing to do with a relationship with a woman. This has made me feel very sad for the son...he would be an excellent father and loves kids, except his own father has betrayed him. I wanted to take the son aside and say "what are you doing? don't let your father do this to you.", but I never got involved.

    The time and attention that my N showered on his son was extremely abusive to me, as it would be to ANY partner of an N. Given the choice, the N would rather have spent time with his son rather than with me. When I woke up to this it was one of the reasons I decided to leave.
  • freebird
    I wanted to write some immediate feelings, but I think instead, I will take in what I read tonight and ponder.

    Susan, I think you have great insight. Thank you.

    I am still alive, still ok, still surviving and I appreciate very, very much, being able to come back here every so often when life affords me that chance, to read such heartfelt, lovely insights.

    Women need to be FOR women. Always. That alone will change the world. I believe, anyway. Hugs, Freebird.
  • Gina  - Ending my marriage to a "N"
    I am so glad to read this and the experience of others. It helps me to know I am not alone. I caught my husband of 4 years on the net one morning chatting with a woman and being told 4 days later that he "loved" this woman whom he never met. Well, I kicked him out and he filed for divorce the day she was due to fly here to meet him. (karma, it turned out to be a nigerian scam for money). He came back weeks later all sorry but the damage had been done. I developed a close relationship with a male friend whom I am now involved with. My "N" never talked, he can't carry on a conversation in a social setting, i accepted that of him. I accepted WAY more than I should have. So of course, I am not the sweet girl he married anymore and I have my relationship thrown in my face, that I am the guilty one. You mention what he did with that woman and he gets angry and shifts the blame to me. When I get verbal I get told I am "sick". I spent 6 yrs standing by him in his sobriety and accepting that he had no friends and that he never opened up and communicated. The joke is on me, I never knew him and what deep down secrets and lies he possessed. Now, I am soon to be his 2nd ex wife and being told around town that I am the one who cheated. He tells all that we werent happy, well, why was I the last to find that one out. When I asked him pre cheating if he was unhappy, my answer, " I married you that meant for life". Total evading of the question. The divorce has turned ugly and he is trying to paint me as the bad person but I am sticking to my guns, I did nothing wrong, he is the one who caused this pain and hurt and even if life is good to him now, I know that Karma will come back to him. As I work FT with OT to pay off the marital debt he sits unemployed (almost a year now) on IMVU all day spending money. Somedays it is so hard to carry on, I am so angry and I so betrayed!! It has held me back in my new relationship, and I find myself struggling that he is not him. I am exhausted and just wish this divorce was over and he can carry on with his internet excursions.
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